Federal Government has been advised to declare a day of national prayer
and fasting as part of efforts to ensure that unity and peace of the
nation is not threatened by series of crises and agitations taking place
in different parts of the country.
His Royal Majesty, the Osile Oke Ona, Egba, Oba Adedapo Adewale
Tejuoso, urged President Muhammadu Buhari and members of his cabinet to
call out all Nigerians irrespective of religious affiliation or ethnic
background to a day of national prayer and fasting.
traditional ruler, Oba Tejuoso who is also a medical doctor, led the
Southwest delegation to the 1994 National Conference organized by late
Gen. Sani Abacha’s government. Fielding questions from TUNDE THOMAS,
the respected monarch talked at length about the Abacha’s conference,
the late M.K.O Abiola, Gen. Oladipo Diya’s role in Abiola’s trial and
the conditional bail offered him by Abacha’s government and other
national issues. He also made a shocking revelation on why he has to
keep his three wives despite being a born again Christian.
57, would you say that Nigeria of today is the one envisioned by the
nation’s founding fathers?
founding fathers I believe was that Nigeria would be one and remain one
forever. Thank God that as far as that is concerned, Nigeria is still
one. But those of us presently running Nigeria whether as leaders or as
followers, it is the responsibility of each and everyone of us to make
sure that there is unity in Nigeria. Some people are talking about
restructuring Nigeria, yes, restructuring is good, but you can only
restructure a building whose foundation is still solid. The foundation
of Nigeria as envisioned by the founding fathers is faulty, and the
Bible says that what can a righteous do when the foundation is faulty.
God, if the foundation is faulty and you start restructuring, you are
just wasting your time, money and everything. But if you call upon God
to come and help He will do so. But God will not interfere in your
affairs, unless you call on Him. But if we call on God and say sorry we
have missed it, I believe God will then come and do it Himself. If we
can do this by calling upon God, you will be surprised about what will
become of Nigeria.
child. God has a purpose for Nigeria. God is taking Nigeria places and
if that is the plan of God, how can anybody then break Nigeria. God
doesn’t want Nigeria to break, and Nigeria will not break. I know this
because before I went to the national conference organized by late
General Sani Abacha in 1994, God told me about six months before that I
was to be called upon for a national duty.
called upon for this national assignment, that I would face a lot of
difficulties and antagonism. But God said I should go in spite of all
the opposition that I would face because He was the one sending me. So
when the call came, I had no doubt in mind that that was what God was
talking about. I tell you, and I mean what I’m saying, if I and other
Southwest delegates didn’t go to that conference, Nigeria would have
pressure and calls by some Nigerians especially in the Southwest that
the Southwest should boycott that conference organised by General Abacha
because many people saw Abacha as a usurper who instead of handing over
power to MKO Abiola who many believed won the June 12, 1993
presidential elections held on to power after sacking the Interim
National Government headed by Chief Ernest Shonekan.
boycott that conference. Others described those of us representing the
Southwest at the conference as the second team and not the best from the
geopolitical zone. But to me the important thing is that the Southwest
was represented at that conference.
man, late Chief MKO Abiola was expected to take over the presidency of
Nigeria, but that election was annulled by the military. Going to that
conference like I said earlier for me was divine. I went to that Abacha
conference on divine instruction. God in His own wisdom made us realize
that probably those who annulled that election would not restore MKO
the Southwest delegation, which I led insisted that even if the military
would not restore Abiola’s mandate, we then insisted that the next
president of the country must be a Yoruba man. This is why General
Abdusalami Abubakar, and other military leaders that took over after
Abacha’s death were forced to shop for a Yoruba man to take over in
be the next president if they would not restore Abiola’s mandate.
Although, I was the leader of the Southwest delegation but to me it was
God that led us. The military in their own wisdom then met, and agreed.
But the problem that immediately faced them was which Yoruba man can
they trust, Obasanjo who was part of them then came to their mind. That
was how Obasanjo was released from the prison to contest the election.
That to my own mind was the greatest achievement of the Southwest
delegates to that Abacha’s confab.
for Nigeria to be one, and I believe that purpose will soon manifest.
Nigeria is not going to break.
crises here and there, and agitations in some parts of the country, some
prophets have come out to declare that Nigeria is going to break …
Forget all those prophets and their so-called prophecies. God doesn’t
want Nigeria to break. God has not revealed to me that Nigeria is going
to break. God has a purpose for Nigeria. God told me that Nigeria is
going to become a world power. The time is what we don’t know but by the
grace of God, it will be in our own time. There are prophets and there
are prophets. But I want to say categorically that those prophets saying
Nigeria would break up are not hearing from God.
not be afraid. This country is not going to break up. What we need is
to move closer to God. As a royal father and also a servant of the Most
High, I want to assure Nigerians that Nigeria is not going to break, but
we should move closer to God, do His will and not our own will.
series of agitations and crises here and there is happening because we
are doing our own will and not the will of God. We are trusting in our
own wisdom and not the wisdom of God. We are not allowing God to take
control of our affairs. We are not putting God first in what we are
were progressing, but today we have neglected God, and left undone those
things we are supposed to have done. Let’s get back to the beginning
and that’s why I said earlier that our foundation is faulty. What has
helped United States of America today? God first, then the country next,
and then individuals follow. But here it is self, self, self and
corruption. We are self-centred. Without seeking righteousness, it will
be difficult for us to progress.
spiritual foundation right. Although I agree that we may need to call a
conference to address all those issues that are leading to agitations
here and there, but discussing them we have to start everything with
rock, because a house built on the rock will endure whereas the one
built on sand will collapse when there is a storm. A house built on sand
refers to us human beings – human beings, we are dust. But God is the
rock, and that’s why anything you do with God will always endure whereas
any venture undertaken with human wisdom is never reliable. We must put
God first in whatever we are doing.
some Nigerians that the federal government should declare a national day
of prayer and fasting for us to seek the face of God so that things can
be alright with our nation?
fasting and prayer for Nigeria. The year before (2016) – last year was
20th year of my mother’s death. During the advertorial I placed in a
national daily commemorating her death. I advised federal government
that if possible that the president should call all Nigerians out
irrespective of religions, to call us out for a day of fasting, prayer
and praising God.
heal our land. But God wants us to repent first, and that sign of
repentance through fasting and prayers has to come through a directive
from the country’s leader. If we can organize a day of fasting, prayer
and thanksgiving it will go a long way in appeasing God. It must be a
day all of us will show remorse before God. Thank God, President
Muhammadu Buhari is trying his best but he alone can’t do it. He and his
cabinet can’t do it alone, they have to invite God.
presidential system of government which we run as being expensive, and
that a return to parliamentary system of government which we practised
before would help reduce cost of governance, what’s your take on that?
government is expensive, and it is one of the reasons why I said earlier
that we may need to organize another conference to address some of
which I was a delegate was tagged Sovereign National Conference, that
was the pronouncement that was made when it was inaugurated, but
unfortunately at the end of it because it didn’t go the way some people
expected it to go to favour them, they jettisoned that confab’s reports
and recommendations by setting up another committee and series of other
confabs have been organized after. But one thing I want to say is this,
Nigeria has paid dearly for jettisoning that 1994 confab organized by
Abacha because some of the recommendations by the confab if implemented
would have enabled us to move forward as a nation.
paid for jettisoning Abacha’s confab was when late President Umar
Yar’Adua died, there was almost a crisis over whether Jonathan who was
the Vice President should take over or not because some people
especially in the North were not happy that Jonathan, a Southerner would
take over, and not allow the North represented by the late Yar’Adua to
complete its four year tenure and possibly another four years to make up
in office, another northerner should occupy his position until that
term is finished, vice-versa for a Southerner. This would have helped to
conference who did not understand the enormous work we did at the
conference formed the bulk of those who drafted the 1999 Constitution,
and so all those checks and balances that we made provisions for in the
1994 Conference were not included in the 1999 constitution.
for rotational presidency, and this would have helped to stabilize
Nigeria. We recommended that rotational presidency should start with the
Southwest who were aggrieved over injustice meted out to Abiola through
that annulment of June 12, 1993 presidential elections. We also made a
lot of recommendations on fiscal revenue and devolution of power.
list, and we got things moving. One of our recommendations again is
that membership of National Assembly should be on a part time basis.
Implementing all these would have saved a lot of cost. We also
recommended a single term presidency. One term presidency of five year
term would have saved us the pains of do-or-die politics, and also help
us save cost.
ministers in the cabinet should be taken from the National Assembly or
the Parliament, this would also help us save cost. All these duplication
of political offices and appointees that is costing us a lot of money
would not have arisen.
Abacha organized the conference that made subsequent governments to
jettison the confab’s reports and recommendations?
organized by Abacha contained a lot of recommendations that if
implemented would have helped move Nigeria forward as a nation but
because of one man, Abacha, because some Nigerians despised the man they
jettisoned the confab thereby throwing away the baby with the bath
water, and we are all paying the price for it today.
country on vacation, former chief security officer to late Gen. Sani
Abacha, Major Al Mustapha was reported as saying that you were one of
those eminent Nigerians who tried to persuade late MKO Abiola to take
the conditional bail offered him by the Abacha government but some
Nigerians doubted Al Mustapha’s claims, what’s the true position of
things on this issue?
Nigeria’s history. Let me start by saying that it is very unfortunate
that a lot of people misunderstood General Oladipo Diya who was then
Gen. Sani Abacha’s second-in-command, his deputy, Diya really tried a
lot for Yoruba at that time. Diya was the one that ensured that it was
arranged that Abiola should be given that bail that would have secured
his freedom. They chartered a plane in my name and the arrangement was
that as soon as the judgment was given that Abiola would be put on the
plane and that six people including myself would fly with him to his
house in Ikeja, Lagos. Our mission was to get to Ikeja and return to
Abuja to continue attending the constitutional conference because the
constitutional conference was still going on that time. Everything was
supposed to be an overnight issue.
when Gen. Diya called me that the case would be coming up that day and
that they have arranged that when they finished the case at the court
that Abiola would be taken to my house to stay there and rest, and that
at night, we would all fly to Lagos.
bail came up that problem arose. Abiola refused to sign the conditional
bail offered him. He was later told to follow them to come and see me,
and sign the conditional bail in my presence. But Abiola was reported to
have claimed that if he followed them to my house that I would try to
convince him to sign, and he thereafter refused to follow them to see
me. But to me all these things have to do with destiny. I believe that
God has destined it that that was the way Abiola would go.
Diya tried his best and I believe we should give him that credit. One of
the conditions given to Abiola was that he should not travel outside
the country but Abiola was the key communications man in Nigeria in
those days. From his room, he could control and communicate with any
part of the world.
hardened him, some people hardened Abiola’s heart and from then, Abiola
started listening to man instead of God, and man eventually misled him.
to meet him twice. One of my meetings with Abiola took place at a
police station, and the second one took place at Gen. Diya office or
lodge. Thank God for His mercies, one lesson we must learn from Abiola’s
death is that never trust a man but God. It was men that misled Abiola.
Abiola was right in rejecting that conditional bail, that taking it
would have amounted to compromising his principle …
Which principle are you compromising? If Abiola had been alive today, he
probably would have been president of Nigeria. If he had taken that
bail, I believe that if Abiola had recontested the election, he would
have become president of Nigeria. If God had not destined it that that
was the way Abiola would go, I bet he would have become president of
Nigeria by now.
preach the gospel. That was his last injunction to us. Anybody who now
says he believes in Christ and refuses evangelism is not doing the will
of God, and your own will is nothing if you are not doing the will of
completely and then embrace God’s own will completely. That’s when you
now become a perfect human being. Everything to do to control your world
is in the Bible.
I was already a king by then. I received the altar call when Pastor
Enoch Adeboye, the G.O of Redeemed Christian Church of God was preaching
at Saint Peter’s Church, Ake in Abeokuta when the then Alake, Oba
Oyebade Lipede was celebrating the 20th anniversary of his coronation.
me a year or two later that he was surprised that when he made an altar
call that day that I was the only king who gave his life to Christ.
That’s why I remember that day vividly, and since then I have been fully
immersed in Christ with members of my family. Since 25 years ago, I
have been fully involved in evangelism. God has been my strength. It is
God who has been doing it for me. Anything I do is not me, but it is
Christ in me that is doing it. Without Christ, I can’t do anything.
there been any occasion when your faith has brought you in conflict with
traditionalists in your domain?
Christ has always prevailed. The work of evangelism is not a tea affair –
it is a serious business but when Christ is in you, you will always
prevail. I remember my encounter with Obatala worshippers. When God gave
me divine revelation and instruction that I should destroy all forms of
idolatory shrines in my domain.
in my own compound, Karunwi compound at Ago-Oko in Abeokuta. The
instruction was that the Obatala idol, which is dreaded, feared and
worshipped by many people should be destroyed in full public glare.
divine instruction, many were afraid, some even told me to my face that
anybody that messes up with Obatala idol would not live for up to seven
days. But I was not afraid, I was determined to do the will of God, and
not the will of man.
glare of members of the public and my chiefs, I went to Obatala shrine
and destroyed it. Many were afraid, many were even weeping saying that I
have attracted the wrath of the gods to myself by destroying Obatala’s
shrine. But when Christ is in you, you can do all things. To God be all
the glory, I destroyed Obatala’s shrine, and seven days after I was
still alive, and that incident took place on 19th February 2005, and up
till today, I’m still alive preaching the gospel.
Evangelical Movement (OKTEM) has been moving round the country from time
to time to win souls for Christ. We also organize the annual Kings Day
of Praise where traditional rulers from different parts of the country
are assembled to give praises to God 24 hours of the day on a particular
day for that purpose in October of every year.
question, how does Kabyiyesi reconcile being an evangelist with also
being a polygamist, that this is in conflict with the gospel work …
polygamy is in the Bible. If there was no polygamy in the Bible, the
apostles would not say for you to become a Bishop you must only have one
wife. There were so many people in the church who had more than one
wife, and that’s why the apostles said that anybody contesting for the
office of Bishop must not have more than one wife.
David now? Is he in hell or heaven? He is in heaven. Was he not a
polygamist or not? What about Abraham, the father of faith, was he a
polygamist or not? I don’t believe that God ever said don’t be a
polygamist in the Bible.
with me who are my wives, I had them before I became king. As at that
time, I was not born-again. I became born-again in 1992, the three of
them as at 1992 had bore children for me. So if now I have accepted
Christ into my life and said I want to be a monogamist, and that they
should go away, what about the children, am I showing them love that
away will make such a woman to commit adultery and that would amount to
sin before God, and I would be held responsible for that. Then talking
about restitution, which some people talk about, how do you restitute,
should I send my wife and children away? So in all these things one must
apply wisdom and reality.
you are a polygamist before accepting Christ, the key thing is that for
you to make sure you don’t marry more wives because you have given your
life to Christ.
into your life, the three wives should also admit Christ into their
lives, and which they have done in my own case, I don’t believe there is
any problem, I go to crusades with my three wives, we evangelise and
preach Christ together. My three wives, children and myself are all
immersed in Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is in us, and we are all in
Christ. We are not leading our own lives again but leading the life of
Jesus Christ. We have all become Jesus family. We are now a family
fortified by Jesus Christ.
competition, or unhealthy rivalry. Everybody is happy. If there is any
competition at all, it is competition among us on the gospel of Jesus
Christ, I mean who will outclass or outshine the other in preaching the
gospel of Jesus Christ.
like mine, there is no grumbling, discontentment or sorrow, we are
always happy in Christ Jesus. Christ is our role model.